[Scribus] best image format

[unknown]

During the conversion of my manual from InDesign to Scribus, I have noticed that InDesign handles
the placement of PDF images a little better than Scribus. Let me fill you in. I use Autodesk
Inventor to model our product, make a 2D print (3D isometric line art), and then save the 2D print
out as a PDF. This worked well in InDesign because the PDF's didn't seem to degrade, in other words
they kept their resolution when scaling up and down.

After a page was finished in InDesign, I would export the page out as a PDF file. This printed very
well and looked very good in Adobe Reader. Scribus on the other hand prints pretty well but the
finished PDF of the page looks very bad and takes a long time to render all of the images in Adobe
Reader.

Instead of PDF files as my images, should I be using something else, like eps or tiff? I am using 3D
isometric line art and I want the lines to be as crisp a possible when scaling the images up or down
in an image frame.

heathenx

[unknown]

Post by unknown
During the conversion of my manual from InDesign to Scribus, I have
noticed that InDesign handles
the placement of PDF images a little better than Scribus. Let me fill you
in. I use Autodesk
Inventor to model our product, make a 2D print (3D isometric line art),
and then save the 2D print
out as a PDF. This worked well in InDesign because the PDF's didn't seem
to degrade, in other words
they kept their resolution when scaling up and down.
After a page was finished in InDesign, I would export the page out as a
PDF file. This printed very
well and looked very good in Adobe Reader. Scribus on the other hand
prints pretty well but the
finished PDF of the page looks very bad and takes a long time to render
all of the images in Adobe
Reader.
Instead of PDF files as my images, should I be using something else, like
eps or tiff? I am using 3D
isometric line art and I want the lines to be as crisp a possible when
scaling the images up or down
in an image frame.

Currently, Scribus still converts PDFs in imageframes to bitmaps, which show
the described behaviour.
Tiff will not be any better, but you can import eps (and sometimes pdf) via
File->Import natively
into Scribus. Scribus will then create a group of vector objects.

/Andreas

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Post by unknown
Instead of PDF files as my images, should I be using something else, like
eps or tiff? I am using 3D
isometric line art and I want the lines to be as crisp a possible when
scaling the images up or down
in an image frame.

Currently, Scribus still converts PDFs in imageframes to bitmaps, which show
the described behaviour.
Tiff will not be any better, but you can import eps (and sometimes pdf) via
File->Import natively
into Scribus. Scribus will then create a group of vector objects.

Yes, we've had this discussion many a time on the list. The main
question is what your options are. If you must use a bitmap (and as
Andreas says, from Scribus' point of view a PDF is a bitmap because of
how it uses the PDF), use a high ppi. If you can manage an EPS or SVG,
all the better.

Greg

[unknown]

Well, perhaps I'll try EPS files then.

heathenx

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Post by unknown

Post by unknown
Instead of PDF files as my images, should I be using something else, like
eps or tiff? I am using 3D
isometric line art and I want the lines to be as crisp a possible when
scaling the images up or down
in an image frame.

Currently, Scribus still converts PDFs in imageframes to bitmaps, which show
the described behaviour.
Tiff will not be any better, but you can import eps (and sometimes pdf) via
File->Import natively
into Scribus. Scribus will then create a group of vector objects.

Yes, we've had this discussion many a time on the list. The main
question is what your options are. If you must use a bitmap (and as
Andreas says, from Scribus' point of view a PDF is a bitmap because of
how it uses the PDF), use a high ppi. If you can manage an EPS or SVG,
all the better.
Greg
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[unknown]

This is a real noob question but I'm going to ask it anyway. All my image files are in PDF form
right now. I can convert the PDF file to EPS through Adobe Acrobat but is that in true EPS form or
is it degraded. When I compare the PDF file to the newly converted EPS, the EPS looks like @#$%! I
do not have a EPS export option in my CAD system, dang it!

heathenx

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Post by unknown

Post by unknown
Instead of PDF files as my images, should I be using something else, like
eps or tiff? I am using 3D
isometric line art and I want the lines to be as crisp a possible when
scaling the images up or down
in an image frame.

Currently, Scribus still converts PDFs in imageframes to bitmaps, which show
the described behaviour.
Tiff will not be any better, but you can import eps (and sometimes pdf) via
File->Import natively
into Scribus. Scribus will then create a group of vector objects.

Yes, we've had this discussion many a time on the list. The main
question is what your options are. If you must use a bitmap (and as
Andreas says, from Scribus' point of view a PDF is a bitmap because of
how it uses the PDF), use a high ppi. If you can manage an EPS or SVG,
all the better.
Greg
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http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/mailman/listinfo/scribus

[unknown]

Post by unknown
This is a real noob question but I'm going to ask it anyway. All my image
files are in PDF form right now. I can convert the PDF file to EPS through
Adobe Acrobat but is that in true EPS form or is it degraded. When I
do not have a EPS export option in my CAD system, dang it!

Do you have control over the PDF export resolution?

I use a lot of tables in PDF format in Scribus image frames and when printed
commerically they look the same as text printed from normal text frames, ie,
perfect.

Craig

[unknown]

Do you have control over the PDF export resolution? BTW, I have Adobe Acrobat 7 with the PDF

printer. That's what I have been using. Our company uses a butt load of PDF files.

Yes, I do. I can control it thru Distiller if I need to.

heathenx

Post by unknown
This is a real noob question but I'm going to ask it anyway. All my image
files are in PDF form right now. I can convert the PDF file to EPS through
Adobe Acrobat but is that in true EPS form or is it degraded. When I
do not have a EPS export option in my CAD system, dang it!

Do you have control over the PDF export resolution?
I use a lot of tables in PDF format in Scribus image frames and when printed
commerically they look the same as text printed from normal text frames, ie,
perfect.
Craig
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[unknown]

Post by unknown
Do you have control over the PDF export resolution?

BTW, I have Adobe Acrobat 7 with the PDF
printer. That's what I have been using. Our company uses a butt load of PDF files.
Yes, I do. I can control it thru Distiller if I need to.
heathenx

Do you have the capability of saving out a postscript file from your
CAD program? As an example, on my Mac under OSX the standard system
print dialog gives you the option to print to a postscript file from
any application. do you have a similar option available? If you do, you
should be able to import that postscript directly into scribus (just
like with the EPS files), and it should have the same quality as the
files exported as PDF from the CAD app.
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Post by unknown
This is a real noob question but I'm going to ask it anyway. All my image
files are in PDF form
right now. I can convert the PDF file to EPS through Adobe Acrobat but is
that in true EPS form or
is it degraded. When I compare the PDF file to the newly converted EPS,
do not have a EPS export option in my CAD system, dang it!
heathenx

a) As you're not completely noob to this ML any more, maybe I can ask you to
stop top-posting? :-)
That's when you write your reply above the text you're responding to, as
seen above.

b) When you choose Import->EPS/PS, select "All Files" in the file dialog and
feed your PDF file to it. Sometimes it works, exspecially if there's no text
and no bitmaps in the PDF.

HTH
/Andreas

[unknown]

Thank-you, Andreas. I'm sorry that I was "top posting". I won't do it anymore.

heathenx

[unknown]

Post by unknown

Post by unknown
This is a real noob question but I'm going to ask it anyway. All my image
files are in PDF form
right now. I can convert the PDF file to EPS through Adobe Acrobat but is
that in true EPS form or
is it degraded. When I compare the PDF file to the newly converted EPS,
do not have a EPS export option in my CAD system, dang it!
heathenx

a) As you're not completely noob to this ML any more, maybe I can ask you to
stop top-posting? :-)
That's when you write your reply above the text you're responding to, as
seen above.
b) When you choose Import->EPS/PS, select "All Files" in the file dialog and
feed your PDF file to it. Sometimes it works, exspecially if there's no text
and no bitmaps in the PDF.
HTH
/Andreas

Hi Andreas,

Are you against top posting because you don't like it or is it because
this mail group has a rule against top posting? I ask this question
because Wikipedia doesn't say top posting is bad E-Mail etiquette.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

Howard

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Post by unknown
Are you against top posting because you don't like it or is it because
this mail group has a rule against top posting? I ask this question
because Wikipedia doesn't say top posting is bad E-Mail etiquette.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

Borrowing the idea but not the content from someone's .sig file I once

Post by unknown
Yes.

And you think that makes it harder to read?

Because the answers come before the questions.

Why is top posting bad?

:-)

Bill
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Bill Harris http://facilitatedsystems.com/weblog/
Facilitated Systems Everett, WA 98208 USA
http://facilitatedsystems.com/ phone: [phone]

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Post by unknown
Are you against top posting because you don't like it or is it because
this mail group has a rule against top posting? I ask this question
because Wikipedia doesn't say top posting is bad E-Mail etiquette.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

Borrowing the idea but not the content from someone's .sig file I once

Post by unknown
Yes.

And you think that makes it harder to read?

Because the answers come before the questions.

Why is top posting bad?

:-)

Exactly :-)

There are three things regularly frowned upon in this newsgroup:

a) posting in HTML format
b) using subject "Re: [Scribus] Scribus Digest, Vol 50, Issue 8" or similar
c) top posting

None of this will get you flamed, though.

Posting in languages other than English *is ok*. We discussed it repeatedly
and always came to the same conclusion.

Not ok is: spam, dissing other people, posting copyrighted material.

/Andreas

[unknown]

Post by unknown
Are you against top posting because you don't like it or is it because
this mail group has a rule against top posting? I ask this question
because Wikipedia doesn't say top posting is bad E-Mail etiquette.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

The consensus of those who do the responding to questions posed to the
list have indicated that they want responses to be posted at the bottom.
It is a style that is strongly encouraged (does that make it a rule?).
Bottom posting allows for an ability to read a question and its
responses in a "normal" linear way, so it can be more easily understood,
especially in the Archives. When some top-post, others bottom post,
understanding the posts can be extremely difficult.

Bottom-posting also can make it more likely that someone will trim out
unnecessary old material, and also perhaps find that what they were
going to say has already been said.

The main argument for top-posting seems to be only that the individual
mail client puts the cursor there when Reply is clicked. If it was a
matter of one person exchanging mail with one other person, it probably
wouldn't matter, but when you have many people responded and a host of
others just reading the to-and-fro questions/responses, an organized
format is good.

Greg

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Post by unknown
I ask this question
because Wikipedia doesn't say top posting is bad E-Mail etiquette.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

What it does say in essence is that top-posting is a convenience for
Outlook and Blackberry users, and that's just about it.
One might consider the Scribus list as more than emails bouncing back
and forth, but rather trying to be a source of information for users,
supplementing the main Scribus site and the Wiki.
If adding information at the top made sense for those trying to get
information, then perhaps Wikipedia should just be addended by adding
information at the top of each article rather than in a more appropriate
location.
I would also add that inline posting is certainly advocated, when it
makes sense to the flow of reading.

Greg

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[mailto:scribus-bounces at nashi.altmuehlnet.de] On Behalf Of Gregory Pittman
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:54 PM
To: scribus at nashi.altmuehlnet.de
Subject: Re: [Scribus] bottom posting

Post by unknown
I ask this question
because Wikipedia doesn't say top posting is bad E-Mail etiquette.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

What it does say in essence is that top-posting is a convenience for
Outlook and Blackberry users, and that's just about it.
One might consider the Scribus list as more than emails bouncing back
and forth, but rather trying to be a source of information for users,
supplementing the main Scribus site and the Wiki.
If adding information at the top made sense for those trying to get
information, then perhaps Wikipedia should just be addended by adding
information at the top of each article rather than in a more appropriate
location.
I would also add that inline posting is certainly advocated, when it
makes sense to the flow of reading.

Greg
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[Nicholas Vettese]

Isn't Wikipedia edited by people who share their knowledge and opinions? If
so, quoting Wikipedia wouldn't mean anything to a person who doesn't share
their beliefs.

I am not saying which is right or wrong, but I do not feel we should also
follow someone's opinion as if it were law either. I have learned to bottom
post out of respect for the group. I consider it neither right, nor wrong,
but a sign of respect.

nick

[unknown]

Hi,

Post by unknown
Hi Andreas,
Are you against top posting because you don't like it or is it because
this mail group has a rule against top posting? I ask this question

It's not this group in particular. Most technical mailing lists use bottom
posting plus inline comments. This is the right thing to do for technical
discussions going though multiple users who add their inputs at any point.

Top posting is only reasonable for formal emails or those of little
complexity. The fact the top posting forces every issue under discussion to
be reintroduced for the sake of context, makes it much more likely that
inaccurate/incomplete answers will appear.

Top posting is very usual among Outlook users, because with Outlook it takes
extra effort to bottom post correctly, when possible at all. From the
Wikipedia article as of today:

"this is caused by a bug present on most flavours of Microsoft Outlook where
the quotation symbols are lost when replying in plain text to a message that
was originaly sent in HTML/RTF, along with the fact the on the default
Microsoft Outlook setup no quotation symbols are generated at all - this
makes it very hard to distinguish between new and quoted text"

Kmail on the other hand is excellent. It highlights the text based on the
number of preceding quotation symbols (quotation level), making the old
habbit of Outlook users of manually painting their text with a different
color, a very funny one :-)

I hope I was clear on this explanation.

Best regards
Gustavo

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because Wikipedia doesn't say top posting is bad E-Mail etiquette.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting
Howard
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Hi,

i have a problem with importing pictures under Scribus 1.3.3.6 (Windows XP).

From a certain file-size, the pictures are not imported in the

picture-framework. It simply happens to nothing at all. With small projects,
there are no problems, everything works perfectly. Since I must however
often go until DIN A0 and miscellaneous not-standardized large sizes, I
remained only as Workaround until now to apportion the big image-files into
3 or even four single-pictures.

My procedure, if i want to import one big image-file:

1. Aims the document
2. generating a picture-level
3. add a picture-framework
4. Right click and "picture load" the image processed in Photoshop

After short time (2-5 seconds), the cursor changes into the normal
standard-pointer and there is no image imported.

As I could determine, the problem is with all picture-formats and only from
a file-size of approximately 150 MB.

I would be happy if you had any ideas as I can avoid this problem.

Thank you,
Bernhard Ludwig

P..
Excuse my bad English please.

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Post by unknown
i have a problem with importing pictures under Scribus 1.3.3.6 (Windows XP).

From a certain file-size, the pictures are not imported in the

picture-framework.

I have had related problems with large JPEG images. In newer versions
of Scribus (e g, 1.3.3.7), the images can be imported, but not
printed. Attempting to print gives an error message "Application
transferred too few scanlines". I have submitted bug reports on these issues.

These problems occur in both the Windows and Linux versions.