[scribus] American typewriter font and Scribus

[Sandra]

Hi,

My association uses the font american typewriter as usual font. Unfortunately, I can't use it with Scribus.
Could you explain me why ? and what can I do to be able to use it with Scribus ?

I have a Window plateform.

(I have no problem with this font in any other programs (Word, etc. )

American typwriter is a .pmb font

Thanks for helping me

Sandra
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["Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)"]

Hi,

Post by Sandra
Hi,
My association uses the font american typewriter as usual font. Unfortunately, I can't use it with Scribus.
Could you explain me why ? and what can I do to be able to use it with Scribus ?
I have a Window plateform.
(I have no problem with this font in any other programs (Word, etc. )
American typwriter is a .pmb font

On my systems (linux and win2k) the Bitsream American
Typewriter font is a TrueType font (amrtypen.ttf) and works
decently with Scribus. Try that one instead.

Regards

Sveinn ? Felli

Post by Sandra
Thanks for helping me
Sandra
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[Sandra]

Hi,

Cool, I should try this option.
But where can I found this font (TrueType font (amrtypen.ttf) ) ?

Sandra

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From: ""Sveinn ? Felli (IMAP)"" <sveinki at nett.is>
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Hi,

Post by Sandra
Hi,
My association uses the font american typewriter as usual font.
Unfortunately, I can't use it with Scribus.
Could you explain me why ? and what can I do to be able to use it with Scribus ?
I have a Window plateform.
(I have no problem with this font in any other programs (Word, etc. )
American typwriter is a .pmb font

On my systems (linux and win2k) the Bitsream American
Typewriter font is a TrueType font (amrtypen.ttf) and works
decently with Scribus. Try that one instead.

Regards

Sveinn ? Felli

Post by Sandra
Thanks for helping me
Sandra
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[Hirwen HARENDAL]

From: candy at hispeed.ch> To: scribus at lists.scribus.info> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:41:54 +0200> Subject: Re: [scribus] American typewriter font and Scribus> > Hi,> > Cool, I should try this option.> But where can I found this font (TrueType font (amrtypen.ttf) ) ?> > Sandra

** American typewriter from BT is a commercial font.
So you can find with the link below a free one
http://www.bonetweb.com/holmdahl/fonts/fonts.htm

** About format: Are you sure for .pmb and what is the real name
(something like AMTN____.pfb)? if yes report the bug.

Hirwen

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[&quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;]

Post by Hirwen HARENDAL

From: candy at hispeed.ch> To: scribus at lists.scribus.info> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:41:54 +0200> Subject: Re: [scribus] American typewriter font and Scribus> > Hi,> > Cool, I should try this option.> But where can I found this font (TrueType font (amrtypen.ttf) ) ?> > Sandra

** American typewriter from BT is a commercial font.

I'm pretty sure my copy of amrtypen.ttf came in a soup of
fonts on a Corel8 CD. The "LICENSE.TXT" for the fonts
indicated free personal use, but for commercial uses you
should buy a license. Quite normal practice.

The font header is not very informative:

"MediumAmerTypewriterITCbyBT-MediumCopyright 1990-1993
Bitstream Inc. All rights reserved.AmerType Md BTITC
American Typewriter Medium, Typewriter 911American
Typewriter Medium BTmfgpctt-v1.53 Friday, January 29, 1993
11:59:39 am (EST) C o p y r i g h t 1 9 9 0 - 1 9 9 3 B
i t s t r e a m I n c . A l l r i g h t s r e s e
r v e d . A m e r T y p e M d B T M e d i u m I T C A
m e r i c a n T y p e w r i t e r M e d i u m , T y p
e w r i t e r 9 1 1 A m e r i c a n T y p e w r i t e r
M e d i u m B T m f g p c t t - v 1 . 5 3 F r i d a y
, J a n u a r y 2 9 , 1 9 9 3 1 1 : 5 9 : 3 9 a m
( E S T ) A m e r T y p e w r i t e r I T C b y B T - M e
d i u m "

Suppose there is a bit more legalese in font headers these days?

regards

Sveinn ? Felli

[Hirwen HARENDAL]

From: sveinki at nett.is> To: scribus at lists.scribus.info

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;

** American typewriter from BT is a commercial font. > > I'm pretty sure my copy of amrtypen.ttf came in a soup of > fonts on a Corel8 CD. The "LICENSE.TXT" for the fonts > indicated free personal use, but for commercial uses you > should buy a license. Quite normal practice.> > The font header is not very informative:> > "MediumAmerTypewriterITCbyBT..."

Suppose there is a bit more legalese in font headers these days?

** Legalese in font header isn't sufficient to determine as for the use of a police. Only the license has a real value.
You have the right to use this font ,only and only because you have
the program delivering it. Sandra can't if she haven't a corel prg like
you. Fonts coming with a prg aren't redistribuable too... Even if you
can find it on the web... Shareware fonts can only be tested, the
use need to purchase a licence.

- Now, where are the limits between personal an commercial uses?
Associations and organisations are considered as having a commercial status, depending of the country.
- And if I publish a work on the web for exemple, by using a font like
American typewriter ITC by BT?
Legally and in theory, this is no longer a personal use too...

So, yes I know, there is a lot of troubles about fonts and sometime
all is not so clear. But fonts and especialy commercial ones "find" on
the web isn't a reference.

Regards
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[&quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;]

I have one Scribus-related question regarding this;

Post by Hirwen HARENDAL
From: sveinki at nett.is> To: scribus at lists.scribus.info

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;

** American typewriter from BT is a commercial font. > > I'm pretty sure my copy of amrtypen.ttf came in a soup of > fonts on a Corel8 CD. The "LICENSE.TXT" for the fonts > indicated free personal use, but for commercial uses you > should buy a license. Quite normal practice.> > The font header is not very informative:> > "MediumAmerTypewriterITCbyBT..."

Suppose there is a bit more legalese in font headers these days?

** Legalese in font header isn't sufficient to determine as for the use of a police. Only the license has a real value.
You have the right to use this font ,only and only because you have
the program delivering it. Sandra can't if she haven't a corel prg like
you. Fonts coming with a prg aren't redistribuable too... Even if you
can find it on the web... Shareware fonts can only be tested, the
use need to purchase a licence.

So, if I embed a font in a PDF document made in Scribus, I'd
have to check the licensing status of the font before
sending the document to another person.

Is there any project to do such checking - and would such a
mechanism be integrated in Scribus in any future ?

Post by Hirwen HARENDAL
- Now, where are the limits between personal an commercial uses?
Associations and organisations are considered as having a commercial status, depending of the country.
- And if I publish a work on the web for exemple, by using a font like
American typewriter ITC by BT?
Legally and in theory, this is no longer a personal use too...

Any publishing is bound by this over here. Possibly also the
nameplate I cut in Oregon pine for my mother-in-law's
summerhouse; Garamond Medium used there... :-)
Luckily the number of lawyers per hectare is quite low in my
country.

Cheers

Sveinn ? Felli

[Hirwen HARENDAL]

From: sveinki at nett.is> To: scribus at lists.scribus.info> Subject: Re: [scribus] American typewriter font and Scribus
So, if I embed a font in a PDF document made in Scribus, I'd > have to check the licensing status of the font before > sending the document to another person.

** Like Peter writed it: Yes.
Simply, personal use is for you (and family :-)) and limited
"at home"...

Is there any project to do such checking - and would such a > mechanism be integrated in Scribus in any future ?

** It is not the problem of any programs! Now, if that is do
seriously, fonts are delivering with a license, where is explicitly
mentioned the condition or limitation of use (freeware,
shareware, opensource license, EULA, copying, final user etc...).
If no... take care, or be sure!

But if you find AGaramond from Adobe on the web... It isn't a freeware!

Any publishing is bound by this over here. Possibly also the > nameplate I cut in Oregon pine for my mother-in-law's > summerhouse; Garamond Medium used there... :-)> Luckily the number of lawyers per hectare is quite low in my > country.

** Good news, but it's more a personnal use ;-)

Hirwen
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[Hirwen HARENDAL]

From: sveinki at nett.is> To: scribus at lists.scribus.info> Subject: Re: [scribus] American typewriter font and Scribus
So, if I embed a font in a PDF document made in Scribus, I'd > have to check the licensing status of the font before > sending the document to another person.

** Like Peter writed it: Yes.
Simply, personal use is for you (and family :-)) and limited
"at home"...

Is there any project to do such checking - and would such a > mechanism be integrated in Scribus in any future ?

** It is not the problem of any programs! Now, if that is do
seriously, fonts are delivering with a license, where is explicitly
mentioned the condition or limitation of use (freeware,
shareware, opensource license, EULA, copying, final user etc...).
If no... take care, or be sure!

But if you find AGaramond from Adobe on the web... It isn't a freeware!

Any publishing is bound by this over here. Possibly also the > nameplate I cut in Oregon pine for my mother-in-law's > summerhouse; Garamond Medium used there... :-)> Luckily the number of lawyers per hectare is quite low in my > country.

** Good news, but it's more a personnal use ;-)

Hirwen
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[Craig Ringer]

Post by Sandra
(I have no problem with this font in any other programs (Word, etc. )
American typwriter is a .pmb font

As far as I know that's a bitmap font - a "screen" font. If you don't
have an associated Type 1 or TrueType font then Scribus cannot use it,
because Scribus requires scalable fonts.

When you use it in other programs do they let you pick any point size?
Or are you restricted to only a particular set of point sizes? If they
do let you pick any size, does it start looking chunky and horrible at
really big point sizes?

--
Craig Ringer

[Peter Nermander]

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;
So, if I embed a font in a PDF document made in Scribus, I'd
have to check the licensing status of the font before
sending the document to another person.

Yes.

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;
Is there any project to do such checking - and would such a
mechanism be integrated in Scribus in any future ?

At least Truetype fonts can have a flag "Do not embed". I'm not sure if
Scribus honors it though. And there is software to batch-remove that flag
(the author wrote it because his own free fonts by mistake had that flag
set).

For commercial use such considerations should be made already when buying
the font.

/Peter

[Sandra]

Many thanks to all for your answers !

I fixed my problem with the fonts in TTF. Nevertheless, it's strange that Scribus doesn't read or accept the .PMB fonts

Sandra
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From: Peter Nermander
To: scribus at lists.scribus.info
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [scribus] American typewriter font and Scribus

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;
So, if I embed a font in a PDF document made in Scribus, I'd
have to check the licensing status of the font before
sending the document to another person.

Yes.

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;
Is there any project to do such checking - and would such a
mechanism be integrated in Scribus in any future ?

At least Truetype fonts can have a flag "Do not embed". I'm not sure if
Scribus honors it though. And there is software to batch-remove that flag
(the author wrote it because his own free fonts by mistake had that flag
set).

For commercial use such considerations should be made already when buying
the font.

/Peter

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[William F. Maddock]

Post by Peter Nermander

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;
So, if I embed a font in a PDF document made in Scribus, I'd
have to check the licensing status of the font before
sending the document to another person.

Yes.

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;
Is there any project to do such checking - and would such a
mechanism be integrated in Scribus in any future ?

At least Truetype fonts can have a flag "Do not embed". I'm not sure if
Scribus honors it though. And there is software to batch-remove that flag
(the author wrote it because his own free fonts by mistake had that flag
set).
For commercial use such considerations should be made already when buying
the font.

My own opinion is that when creating a document that is going to be PDF
and where the intended recipient of that document might not have the
chosen font, you should either embed the font or not use it at all. This
is why I consider ADF fonts so valuable.

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[Hirwen HARENDAL]

Peter wrote:> > At least Truetype fonts can have a flag "Do not embed". I'm not sure if> > Scribus honors it though. And there is software to batch-remove that flag> > (the author wrote it because his own free fonts by mistake had that flag> > set).** That's true, and can explain some "troubles" with fonts, just because fontembedding settings isn't allowed.
William wrote:> My own opinion is that when creating a document that is going to be PDF> and where the intended recipient of that document might not have the> chosen font, you should either embed the font or not use it at all. ** This is why it's better to decide a graphical chart for collaborative work before start and not only for PDF export.> This is why I consider ADF fonts so valuable. ** Mouarf! Hirwen
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[avox]

Post by Peter Nermander

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;
So, if I embed a font in a PDF document made in Scribus, I'd
have to check the licensing status of the font before
sending the document to another person.

Yes.

Post by &quot;Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)&quot;
Is there any project to do such checking - and would such a
mechanism be integrated in Scribus in any future ?

At least Truetype fonts can have a flag "Do not embed". I'm not sure if
Scribus honors it though.

No, and in my view it doesnt make sense. Scribus produces PS and PDF
intended for print. If you have a legal copy of a font which has that flag
set, you still need some program to produce the printfile - that's what
Scribus
does.

In the end it's always the user who has to decide if he's allowed to use the
font in the way he intends to. Programs can only give hints.
Maybe Fontmatrix can be extended to track the license status of fonts.

/Andreas