[scribus] Best Linux distro for Scribus

[John Jason Jordan]

Please, this is a serious question, and I will be annoyed if it turns
into a flame war.

I know there have been discussions in the past of the problems with Qt
in a certain distro. I won't name it, but it starts with U.

I have been happily using that distro for several years, but have
recently decided it's time to expand my horizons.

I dimly recall from discussions here that the three most strongly
recommended distros for Scribus are Fedora, Debian and OpenSuse.

I love Debian package management, so I installed Debian testing.
Unfortunately, there is a bug in Gnome 2.28.x that causes the user to
lose the desktop, window manager and panels. I spent days trying to
find a workaround or repair it, and finally gave up. Then I installed
Debian unstable, only to have it fail to boot. Plus, the only good
thing I could say about testing is that it has great package
management. Otherwise it is not very polished.

Two days ago I installed Fedora 12. Just now I lost the window manager
and panels again. Sure enough, it uses Gnome 2.28.0.

From past experience it is unrepairable unless I reinstall. And then it

will just happen again.

I have no idea why it happens to me. It must be some application that I
install. But I do know that I absolutely need all the applications I
install. So if a distro can't handle one of them, then it's not the
distro for me.

For the current saga I bought a new hard disk for my laptop. My old
hard disk with the U distro is sitting on the shelf. I can always go
back to it. But I want to move on.

Oh, and I have tried and tried to love KDE, but it is hopeless. I just
can't stand looking at it.

So is OpenSuse my next stop? Or what?

[Christoph Schäfer]

Post by John Jason Jordan
Please, this is a serious question, and I will be annoyed if it turns
into a flame war.
I know there have been discussions in the past of the problems with Qt
in a certain distro. I won't name it, but it starts with U.
I have been happily using that distro for several years, but have
recently decided it's time to expand my horizons.
I dimly recall from discussions here that the three most strongly
recommended distros for Scribus are Fedora, Debian and OpenSuse.
I love Debian package management, so I installed Debian testing.
Unfortunately, there is a bug in Gnome 2.28.x that causes the user to
lose the desktop, window manager and panels. I spent days trying to
find a workaround or repair it, and finally gave up. Then I installed
Debian unstable, only to have it fail to boot. Plus, the only good
thing I could say about testing is that it has great package
management. Otherwise it is not very polished.
Two days ago I installed Fedora 12. Just now I lost the window manager
and panels again. Sure enough, it uses Gnome 2.28.0.

From past experience it is unrepairable unless I reinstall. And then it

will just happen again.
I have no idea why it happens to me. It must be some application that I
install. But I do know that I absolutely need all the applications I
install. So if a distro can't handle one of them, then it's not the
distro for me.
For the current saga I bought a new hard disk for my laptop. My old
hard disk with the U distro is sitting on the shelf. I can always go
back to it. But I want to move on.
Oh, and I have tried and tried to love KDE, but it is hopeless. I just
can't stand looking at it.
So is OpenSuse my next stop? Or what?

I don't know what your next stop will or should be, but there are definitely
better forums than the Scribus list for your particular problem.

Cheers,

Christoph

[John Culleton]

Am Samstag, 28. November 2009 07:37:45 schrieb John Jason

Post by John Jason Jordan
Please, this is a serious question, and I will be annoyed if it turns
into a flame war.
I know there have been discussions in the past of the

problems with Qt

Post by John Jason Jordan
in a certain distro. I won't name it, but it starts with U.
I have been happily using that distro for several years, but

have

Post by John Jason Jordan
recently decided it's time to expand my horizons.
I dimly recall from discussions here that the three most

strongly

Post by John Jason Jordan
recommended distros for Scribus are Fedora, Debian and

OpenSuse.

Post by John Jason Jordan
I love Debian package management, so I installed Debian

testing.

Post by John Jason Jordan
Unfortunately, there is a bug in Gnome 2.28.x that causes the user to
lose the desktop, window manager and panels. I spent days

trying to

Post by John Jason Jordan
find a workaround or repair it, and finally gave up. Then I

installed

Post by John Jason Jordan
Debian unstable, only to have it fail to boot. Plus, the only good
thing I could say about testing is that it has great package
management. Otherwise it is not very polished.
Two days ago I installed Fedora 12. Just now I lost the window manager
and panels again. Sure enough, it uses Gnome 2.28.0.

From past experience it is unrepairable unless I reinstall. And then it

will just happen again.
I have no idea why it happens to me. It must be some

application that I

Post by John Jason Jordan
install. But I do know that I absolutely need all the

applications I

Post by John Jason Jordan
install. So if a distro can't handle one of them, then it's not the
distro for me.
For the current saga I bought a new hard disk for my laptop.

My old

Post by John Jason Jordan
hard disk with the U distro is sitting on the shelf. I can always go
back to it. But I want to move on.
Oh, and I have tried and tried to love KDE, but it is hopeless. I just
can't stand looking at it.
So is OpenSuse my next stop? Or what?

I don't know what your next stop will or should be, but there are
definitely better forums than the Scribus list for your particular

problem.

Cheers,
Christoph

Well Scribus does color your choice of OS.

I run Slackware 13 but use XFCE instead of KDE4. I like the
combination. KDE4 is horrid but the Qt4 libraries are nevertheless
required for Scribus. KDE3/Qt3 was fine but that is not what the
latest Scribus is built around.

[Frank Cox]

Post by John Jason Jordan
Or what?

Have you looked at Centos? Almost all of my computers (and the
computers that I look after) run Centos.

I have seen Centos described as "boring, in all of the good senses of
the word". Once it's set up, it pretty much Just Works. For everything
that I need to do with it, anyway.

[a.l.e]

hi jason jardon

Post by John Jason Jordan
I have no idea why it happens to me. It must be some application that
I install. But I do know that I absolutely need all the applications I
install. So if a distro can't handle one of them, then it's not the
distro for me.

your looking for a stable distribution with some self compiled packaEges
for your special needs.

fedora and debian testing are both test platform for the main, stable,
distribution.

they will mostly work but may fail for your needs (in debian testing
there are three important (to me) packages which currently fail / are
missing (slim, support for eeepc wireless, bitlbee: all three used to
work in testing and are still working in stable).

Post by John Jason Jordan
So is OpenSuse my next stop? Or what?

maybe. one point is clear: the scribus team actively supports OpenSuse!


but, from what you have written i still suggest you to go for Suse, Red
Hat or Debian stable...
and compile in a separate directory each software you need on top of it.

what you will never get from a distribution is bleeding edge *and* real
stability of all features.


hth
a.l.e

[Tornóci László]

On 11/28/2009 07:37 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote:
...

Post by John Jason Jordan
Two days ago I installed Fedora 12. Just now I lost the window manager
and panels again. Sure enough, it uses Gnome 2.28.0.

From past experience it is unrepairable unless I reinstall. And then it

will just happen again.

I think you need to use a major distribution that you like and _know
well_. Of course you don't need to reinstall any linux distro just to
change your desktop. E.g. in Fedora, if you want KDE, create a text file
/etc/sysconfig/desktop containing a single line: DESKTOP=KDE, make sure
you have kde packages (run the commmand "yum install kdebase") and you
are set. Your desktop settings are in .kde/ of your home directory. If
you save that, you won't lose your settings.
No distribution saves you from the trouble of having to learn the
details if you want stability and bleeding edge software at the same
time. It is easy to compile scribus on Fedora, that's what I do.

Yours: Laszlo

[Gregory Pittman]

Post by Tornóci László
...

Post by John Jason Jordan
Two days ago I installed Fedora 12. Just now I lost the window manager
and panels again. Sure enough, it uses Gnome 2.28.0.

From past experience it is unrepairable unless I reinstall. And then it

will just happen again.

I think you need to use a major distribution that you like and _know
well_. Of course you don't need to reinstall any linux distro just to
change your desktop. E.g. in Fedora, if you want KDE, create a text
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop containing a single line: DESKTOP=KDE,
make sure you have kde packages (run the commmand "yum install
kdebase") and you are set. Your desktop settings are in .kde/ of your
home directory. If you save that, you won't lose your settings.
No distribution saves you from the trouble of having to learn the
details if you want stability and bleeding edge software at the same
time. It is easy to compile scribus on Fedora, that's what I do.

I think that, depending on your point-of-view and interest, here are the
considerations:

- whether reasonably up-to-date Scribus binaries are readily available
for the distro
- whether the ingredients for compiling on your own are readily available
- whether the distro is reasonably KDE/Qt friendly, even if you plan to
use Gnome
- whether other DTP-related apps (for fonts, color management, vector
drawing...) are also readily available

This is not a very restrictive collection of considerations, so you are
still left with several good choices. At some point you will have to
throw your own dart, and hope for the best.

Greg

[Calum Polwart]

I have a strange happening occurring... I'm using Scribus 1.3.5.1 on
Ubuntu Koala, under XFCE.

I keep finding that text boxes or images are behaving a bit like they
are locked (they aren't) and I can still resize them. Locked is
actually disabled so I can't toggle it either...

But I can't for images select Get Image, or for Text Boxes select Get
text, Append Text or Edit Text.

Anyone know what's going on?

Restarting scribus fixes it - but then it occurs again?

C

[Calum Polwart]

Post by Calum Polwart
I keep finding that text boxes or images are behaving a bit like they
are locked (they aren't) and I can still resize them. Locked is
actually disabled so I can't toggle it either...

Its even stranger - sometimes locked is not disabled and if I lock it
the text becomes editable? (i.e. its the wrong way round, but also I
never routinely lock so not sure why this would expect me to want to
draw a new text box and have it locked to start with).

[Figaro]

John,
Take a serious look at sidux.
http://www.sidux.com
I'm certain you'll find a home.
matthew

Post by John Jason Jordan
Please, this is a serious question, and I will be annoyed if it turns
into a flame war.
I know there have been discussions in the past of the problems with Qt
in a certain distro. I won't name it, but it starts with U.
I have been happily using that distro for several years, but have
recently decided it's time to expand my horizons.
I dimly recall from discussions here that the three most strongly
recommended distros for Scribus are Fedora, Debian and OpenSuse.
I love Debian package management, so I installed Debian testing.
Unfortunately, there is a bug in Gnome 2.28.x that causes the user to
lose the desktop, window manager and panels. I spent days trying to
find a workaround or repair it, and finally gave up. Then I installed
Debian unstable, only to have it fail to boot. Plus, the only good
thing I could say about testing is that it has great package
management. Otherwise it is not very polished.
Two days ago I installed Fedora 12. Just now I lost the window manager
and panels again. Sure enough, it uses Gnome 2.28.0.

From past experience it is unrepairable unless I reinstall. And then it

will just happen again.
I have no idea why it happens to me. It must be some application that I
install. But I do know that I absolutely need all the applications I
install. So if a distro can't handle one of them, then it's not the
distro for me.
For the current saga I bought a new hard disk for my laptop. My old
hard disk with the U distro is sitting on the shelf. I can always go
back to it. But I want to move on.
Oh, and I have tried and tried to love KDE, but it is hopeless. I just
can't stand looking at it.
So is OpenSuse my next stop? Or what?
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scribus at lists.scribus.info
http://lists.scribus.info/mailman/listinfo/scribus

[John Jason Jordan]

Already been there. Spent a couple days trying out Sidux. Xfce is
tolerable, but I just can't love KDE. It's a matter of personal taste,
so there's no point in arguing with me. :)

I'm currently trying OpenSuse. But this morning I restarted the
computer and the window manager failed to load. Right back to the
problems I had with Debian testing (twice) and Fedora 12. All three use
the new version of Gnome 2.8.0 or 2.8.1. So does Karmic Koala. It is
becoming obvious that there is some obscure bug in the latest Gnome
that is being triggered by something that I am installing. It's not
Scribus, because I installed Scribus yesterday morning and have
rebooted numerous times since without issue.

So far I kind of like OpenSuse, and it reputedly plays well with
Scribus. Since I've been bitten by the same Gnome bug four times now, I
am going to reformat and install OpenSuse 11.1, which uses the previous
version of Gnome.


On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:27:03 +0000

Post by Figaro
John,
Take a serious look at sidux.
http://www.sidux.com
I'm certain you'll find a home.
matthew

Post by John Jason Jordan
Please, this is a serious question, and I will be annoyed if it turns
into a flame war.
I know there have been discussions in the past of the problems with Qt
in a certain distro. I won't name it, but it starts with U.
I have been happily using that distro for several years, but have
recently decided it's time to expand my horizons.
I dimly recall from discussions here that the three most strongly
recommended distros for Scribus are Fedora, Debian and OpenSuse.
I love Debian package management, so I installed Debian testing.
Unfortunately, there is a bug in Gnome 2.28.x that causes the user to
lose the desktop, window manager and panels. I spent days trying to
find a workaround or repair it, and finally gave up. Then I installed
Debian unstable, only to have it fail to boot. Plus, the only good
thing I could say about testing is that it has great package
management. Otherwise it is not very polished.
Two days ago I installed Fedora 12. Just now I lost the window manager
and panels again. Sure enough, it uses Gnome 2.28.0.

From past experience it is unrepairable unless I reinstall. And then it

will just happen again.
I have no idea why it happens to me. It must be some application that I
install. But I do know that I absolutely need all the applications I
install. So if a distro can't handle one of them, then it's not the
distro for me.
For the current saga I bought a new hard disk for my laptop. My old
hard disk with the U distro is sitting on the shelf. I can always go
back to it. But I want to move on.
Oh, and I have tried and tried to love KDE, but it is hopeless. I just
can't stand looking at it.
So is OpenSuse my next stop? Or what?
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http://lists.scribus.info/mailman/listinfo/scribus

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[Figaro]

Post by John Jason Jordan
Already been there. Spent a couple days trying out Sidux. Xfce is
tolerable, but I just can't love KDE. It's a matter of personal taste,
so there's no point in arguing with me. :)

Mr. Jordan,
Understood.
I was not trying to argue.... in fact I also intensely dislike KDE. The
older 3.6 stuff finally worked... then the "kiddies" insisted on
bringing us the new eye-candy flotsam.
Now we'll spend a year or so to get the functions back just in time for
some other foolishness!!!!
Sorry, I just had to vent!

[jwminer]

Those who are unhappy with KDE 4 may be interested in the recently
released VectorLinux 6 "KDE Classic." The distribution announcement
explains the rationale this way:
"This release is not about bleeding-edge technology. On the other
hand, it is not about nostalgia either. KDE 3.5.10 gets the job
done. It is a mature and solid product with a large user base. Many
of us are comfortable with it, and are not yet ready to leave it
behind. We thought it only right to make a robust system with KDE
3.5.10 at the helm." You can read the rest of the announcement along
with download information at
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05772

The KDE Classic version is built on VectorLinux 6 Light, which works
well on less powerful hardware but supports newer hardware, too. KDE
3.5.10 is the desktop environment and the necessary KDE libraries
are installed. The complete KDE kitchen sink is not included, though
the KDE basics are and the rest can be downloaded. I've never seen
VL6 KDE Classic but have read favorable comments in the user support
forum. Scribus, Gimp, and Inkscape have worked flawlessly under
VectorLinux 6 Light and VL 6 Standard, which I use daily.

Take a look if you're a KDE fan who doesn't want to be pushed to KDE 4.
--Judy M.
USA

Registered Linux User #397786
Being productive with VectorLinux 6.0 Standard, Deluxe Edition

[Steven Dayton]

I have not worked with KDE in any version before so I have no idea why
there is some displeasure with KDE 4. Why is KDE 4 not a good thing?
Is there somewhere else to go online that would discuss this topic
that anyone could suggest? Curious.

StevenD

You want it fast, good, and cheap. Choose any two.

[Christoph Schäfer]

Post by Steven Dayton
I have not worked with KDE in any version before so I have no idea why
there is some displeasure with KDE 4. Why is KDE 4 not a good thing?
Is there somewhere else to go online that would discuss this topic
that anyone could suggest? Curious.
StevenD

KDE 4 is more than just a new version of a desktop environment. Actually it is
a complete rewrite that includes the introduction of many new technologies
and the abandoning of some others. As a result, KDE 4 looks and works quite
differently, compared to KDE 2/3.

The major issue with KDE 4 (which may be compared to Mac OS X, except that it,
being KDE, has more configuration options) is that the KDE team released
version 4.0 and still insisted that it was not ready for everyday use. The
same strange release numbering scheme is followed by the KOffice team. This
has caused a lot of frustration among KDE users, because many early adapters
were more than frustrated.

Oh, and I know we (Scribus) are not in a position to cast stones on anyone, as
our versioning scheme is quite chaotic as well ;)

The upside is that KDE 4.3 finally seems to deliver on the promises being
made. Since I'm a KDE user since version 1 who feels insulted by Gnome's
philosophy, I will install OpenSUSE 11.2 with KDE 4.3 (and KDE 3 as a
fallback option) this week ;)

That being said, everyone should be able to use the operating system and
desktop environment one prefers. What _is_ important, though, when it comes
to Scribus and other apps, is that all relevant libraries (GTK+, Qt, KDE
etc.) are kept in a reliable state. Unfortunately, this rules out some Linux
distros, at least with respect to Scribus.

Christoph

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:52:13 +0100

Post by Christoph Schäfer

Post by Steven Dayton
I have not worked with KDE in any version before so I have no idea why
there is some displeasure with KDE 4. Why is KDE 4 not a good thing?
Is there somewhere else to go online that would discuss this topic
that anyone could suggest? Curious.

Oh, and I know we (Scribus) are not in a position to cast stones on anyone, as
our versioning scheme is quite chaotic as well ;)
The upside is that KDE 4.3 finally seems to deliver on the promises being
made. Since I'm a KDE user since version 1 who feels insulted by Gnome's
philosophy, I will install OpenSUSE 11.2 with KDE 4.3 (and KDE 3 as a
fallback option) this week ;)

Thank goodness you're going to install KDE. The Gnome 2.8.0 that comes
with OpenSuse 11.2 is not ready for serious use.

Post by Christoph Schäfer
That being said, everyone should be able to use the operating system and
desktop environment one prefers. What _is_ important, though, when it comes
to Scribus and other apps, is that all relevant libraries (GTK+, Qt, KDE
etc.) are kept in a reliable state. Unfortunately, this rules out some Linux
distros, at least with respect to Scribus.

I had to ditch OpenSuse 11.2 because of the problems with Gnome 2.8.0, but
after wiping it out and installing 11.1 I am back. Yeah, I could have used KDE,
but I dislike KDE as much as you dislike Gnome.

I haven't installed Scribus yet because I can't find 1.3.5.1. For this
long-time Debian user, package management in the RPM world is a mysterious
place. I think I need to add the Scribus repository manually, but I don't know
where it is how how to add it. I'll figure it out, though.

[Jan de Weerd]

Post by John Jason Jordan
I had to ditch OpenSuse 11.2 because of the problems with Gnome 2.8.0, but
after wiping it out and installing 11.1 I am back. Yeah, I could have used KDE,
but I dislike KDE as much as you dislike Gnome.
I haven't installed Scribus yet because I can't find 1.3.5.1. For this
long-time Debian user, package management in the RPM world is a mysterious
place. I think I need to add the Scribus repository manually, but I don't know
where it is how how to add it. I'll figure it out, though.

When I need a new Scribus version I go to
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs/openSUSE_11.2/
there you find it with the podofo stuff that you also need.

Cheers!
Jan

[Richard]

I think that thoughts about KDE (new version) are being shared among a
lot of users, and i'm one of them, i like KDE, and almost cant handle to
work on gnome, but this new KDE taste made me drop Linux for the last
months and i really has not being using linux almost since KDE 4
appeared as the non-optional KDE desktop.

On Linux, you can have a lot of flavors, but finally you'll have almost
the same stuff on every distro.
I guess the main differences are based about ease of use and maybe the
time on wich some packages go to repositories.
You can find a distro where you have to fight a lot to get everything
working on, and a distro where you think and it's done, more for Windows
users, more for starting users.

But i insist, when you have a bug on something, you'll end having the
same issue on every distro, since the main difference is the packaging
used and some flavor about how to make everything work, but never two
distros will be so appart that you can say there is two OSes.
There is only one OS, and some minor taste differences. about bugs and
so, is more like a couple days more, a couple days less...... so there
is not really a need to go seeking all around for something else as
there is no real "else".

I have tasted several flavors, the first one was Corel Linux 1... (yes,
sorry i did), Red Hat 7, Mandrake 8, 9, and 10 Suse 7.1 and 8, Conectiva
10, the "U" distro since 5.5 up to 8.04, and more recently since the
huge mistake about going on KDE 4 so early i started on Fedora (happened
to be a lot more stable and working).
I have tasted KDE 2, 3 and 4, also Gnome (a long time ago), XFCE on U
and Debian...

There is not really a big thing about going back and forward, i ended on
KDE for my windowish like and ended on Fedora wich made my laptop's ATI
chipset/battery/ACPI/video actually work because "U" didnt.


If there is a bug on Gnome it should be documented, if not, you should
try to make a hard work and install-reboot program by program as many
times you need until you find what's the problem. (and maybe notify a
bug, but i dont think it's a bug)

I think you're messing around on software sources, and maybe making
things conflict. I DID A LOT OF TIMES!!!!.

I used debian"ish" most of the time, and the repository system made me
(let me) make a lot of mistakes, one should'nt put any source anytime,
you have to study what you use as a source, since a new package could
have a new library(BETA), wich may interfere with another installed
program/library and even make the package manager to uninstall an old
version (WORKING) to everything go wrong.

So if you're using mixed betas and stables from different sources,
you'll surely end on a headache. I repeat, I DID A LOT OF TIMES

Post by John Jason Jordan
Already been there. Spent a couple days trying out Sidux. Xfce is
tolerable, but I just can't love KDE. It's a matter of personal taste,
so there's no point in arguing with me. :)
I'm currently trying OpenSuse. But this morning I restarted the
computer and the window manager failed to load. Right back to the
problems I had with Debian testing (twice) and Fedora 12. All three use
the new version of Gnome 2.8.0 or 2.8.1. So does Karmic Koala. It is
becoming obvious that there is some obscure bug in the latest Gnome
that is being triggered by something that I am installing. It's not
Scribus, because I installed Scribus yesterday morning and have
rebooted numerous times since without issue.
So far I kind of like OpenSuse, and it reputedly plays well with
Scribus. Since I've been bitten by the same Gnome bug four times now, I
am going to reformat and install OpenSuse 11.1, which uses the previous
version of Gnome.
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:27:03 +0000

Post by Figaro
John,
Take a serious look at sidux.
http://www.sidux.com
I'm certain you'll find a home.
matthew

Post by John Jason Jordan
Please, this is a serious question, and I will be annoyed if it turns
into a flame war.
I know there have been discussions in the past of the problems with Qt
in a certain distro. I won't name it, but it starts with U.
I have been happily using that distro for several years, but have
recently decided it's time to expand my horizons.
I dimly recall from discussions here that the three most strongly
recommended distros for Scribus are Fedora, Debian and OpenSuse.
I love Debian package management, so I installed Debian testing.
Unfortunately, there is a bug in Gnome 2.28.x that causes the user to
lose the desktop, window manager and panels. I spent days trying to
find a workaround or repair it, and finally gave up. Then I installed
Debian unstable, only to have it fail to boot. Plus, the only good
thing I could say about testing is that it has great package
management. Otherwise it is not very polished.
Two days ago I installed Fedora 12. Just now I lost the window manager
and panels again. Sure enough, it uses Gnome 2.28.0.

From past experience it is unrepairable unless I reinstall. And then it

will just happen again.
I have no idea why it happens to me. It must be some application that I
install. But I do know that I absolutely need all the applications I
install. So if a distro can't handle one of them, then it's not the
distro for me.
For the current saga I bought a new hard disk for my laptop. My old
hard disk with the U distro is sitting on the shelf. I can always go
back to it. But I want to move on.
Oh, and I have tried and tried to love KDE, but it is hopeless. I just
can't stand looking at it.
So is OpenSuse my next stop? Or what?
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[a.l.e]

hi richard,

Post by Richard
I think you're messing around on software sources, and maybe making
things conflict. I DID A LOT OF TIMES!!!!.
I used debian"ish" most of the time, and the repository system made me
(let me) make a lot of mistakes, one should'nt put any source anytime,
you have to study what you use as a source, since a new package could
have a new library(BETA), wich may interfere with another installed
program/library and even make the package manager to uninstall an old
version (WORKING) to everything go wrong.
So if you're using mixed betas and stables from different sources,
you'll surely end on a headache. I repeat, I DID A LOT OF TIMES

on the one side, in my experience only gentoo suceeded to manage a mixed
system with stable and unstable packages. i gave up on it.


on the other side, it's easy to keep a clean system, and compile
yourself the packages you want to add on top of your distribution, each
one in its own directory (always set a PREFIX specific to the app:
/opt/scribus15 or /usr/local/scribus15).


and on the last side, i wonder again in what extent this discussion
a/ answers the original question,
b/ has anything to do with scribus.


i naivly thought, that asking for the best linux for scribus would
produce and interesting discussion on how good are scribus packages in
the different distributions? how easy is it to manage fonts? color
profiling of your devices? are there neutral skins? has features which
enhance a graphic designer's workflow?



one thing i can share from my experience:

if you're using old pcs to teach scribus, debian testing (without gnome
or kde) + slim + lxde + scribus repositories are a good way to go!

you can easily setup a minimal system and you get up to date packages.
the desktop environment is easy enough to use and uses few resources.

what i haven't solved yet, is a way to automatically reinstall the
computer to a known clean state.



have fun
a.l.e

[John Culleton]

Post by Richard
I think that thoughts about KDE (new version) are being shared

among a

Post by Richard
lot of users, and i'm one of them, i like KDE, and almost cant

handle to

Post by Richard
work on gnome, but this new KDE taste made me drop Linux for

the last

Post by Richard
months and i really has not being using linux almost since KDE

4

Post by Richard
appeared as the non-optional KDE desktop.

KDE 3.5 was workmanlike. KDE 4 is very hard to work with IMO.
I upgraded to Slackware 13 just to get QT4 which is required by
recent versions of Slackware. But I really could not abide KDE4. It
is strange, slow, clumsy, and buggy. In this case four strikes and
you're out. So I changed my gui starter program from kdm to xdm
and made XFCE the default.

Now I have the best of both worlds. I have an interface that is as
easy to use and almost as easy to customize (put icons for
frequently used programs on the bottom kicker bar) as KDE 3.5.
All the KDE 4 programs still work AFAIKT. The only important thing
I lost was Kpdf. Okular is OK as a pdf viewer but doesn't have a
print capability. Also I substituted Konsole for Terminal. And with
some grief I went back to LPRNG and got rid of Cups for printing.

It is however saddening to note that I made all these changes just
to bring Slackware 13 up to the capability of Slackware 12.2. I
wonder if moving Scribus from QT3 to QT4 was worth all this fuss.

Not every change is an improvement. KDE4 is a Vista class
mistake, IMO. Just say no.

[James Doepp]

Post by Richard

Post by Richard
I think that thoughts about KDE (new version) are being shared

among a

Post by Richard
lot of users, and i'm one of them, i like KDE, and almost cant

handle to

Post by Richard
work on gnome, but this new KDE taste made me drop Linux for

the last

Post by Richard
months and i really has not being using linux almost since KDE

4

Post by Richard
appeared as the non-optional KDE desktop.

KDE 3.5 was workmanlike. KDE 4 is very hard to work with IMO.
I upgraded to Slackware 13 just to get QT4 which is required by
recent versions of Slackware. But I really could not abide KDE4. It
is strange, slow, clumsy, and buggy. In this case four strikes and
you're out. So I changed my gui starter program from kdm to xdm
and made XFCE the default.

I suggest you get KDE 4.3.3 (and dependencies - check the Slackware
changelog) from Slackware-current. It is considerably faster and more usable
than what is included in 13.

Post by Richard
Now I have the best of both worlds. I have an interface that is as
easy to use and almost as easy to customize (put icons for
frequently used programs on the bottom kicker bar) as KDE 3.5.
All the KDE 4 programs still work AFAIKT. The only important thing
I lost was Kpdf. Okular is OK as a pdf viewer but doesn't have a
print capability. Also I substituted Konsole for Terminal. And with
some grief I went back to LPRNG and got rid of Cups for printing.
It is however saddening to note that I made all these changes just
to bring Slackware 13 up to the capability of Slackware 12.2. I
wonder if moving Scribus from QT3 to QT4 was worth all this fuss.
Not every change is an improvement. KDE4 is a Vista class
mistake, IMO. Just say no.

The difference between KDE4 and Vista is that KDE4 is a work in progress,
and after every update it works faster and better, and you get a clearer
picture of what the developers are hoping to achieve. Vista is a final
product - or at best a step towards Windows 7 (but you have to pay for the
update!)

Post by Richard
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[Jeffrey Silverman]

Ding ding ding! BS alert! Linophile FUD alert! Ding ding ding!

(Full disclosure: I am a Linophile myself. But still, this paragraph
smells FUDdy/snarky to me. And Win7 is, by all estimates and reviews,
great, or at least very good. Is KDE 4? Even the latest?)

<snip!>> The difference between KDE4 and Vista is that KDE4 is a work
in progress,

Post by James Doepp
and after every update it works faster and better, and you get a clearer
picture of what the developers are hoping to achieve. Vista is a final
product - or at best a step towards Windows 7 (but you have to pay for the
update!)

<snip!>

In the interest of not extending an OT thread too much longer, this is
my last post to this thread. Thank you, good night, g'bless, cheese,
and potatoes.

[James Doepp]

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 18:31, Jeffrey Silverman <

Post by Jeffrey Silverman
Ding ding ding! BS alert! Linophile FUD alert! Ding ding ding!
(Full disclosure: I am a Linophile myself. But still, this paragraph
smells FUDdy/snarky to me. And Win7 is, by all estimates and reviews,
great, or at least very good. Is KDE 4? Even the latest?)

No FUD was intended in my remarks. I was responding to a parallel that was
made between KDE and Vista (which itself perhaps could be mistaken for FUD).
My intention was simply to show the differences between KDE4 and Vista -
though critics call its introduction overly "revolutionary", its development
is evolutionary. Closed source development is different in nature to open
source development. We can have the same degree of change that exists
between Vista and Windows 7, but it won't be in one leap, but rather in
little steps over time.

I never denied that Windows 7 was great (or at least very good). Indeed, I
said nothing about whether Windows 7 was good or bad. The only disadvantage
I mentioned (as an unfortunate aside) was that you have to pay for the
upgrade from Vista to Windows 7.

Whether the latest KDE is good or great, I'll leave to others to decide for
themselves. But KDE 4.3.4 is undoubtedly better than 4.2.x and I certainly
expect KDE4 to improve further, and not only in bug fixes and security
fixes, but also in features, configurability and speed.

Post by Jeffrey Silverman
<snip!>> The difference between KDE4 and Vista is that KDE4 is a work
in progress,

Post by James Doepp
and after every update it works faster and better, and you get a clearer
picture of what the developers are hoping to achieve. Vista is a final
product - or at best a step towards Windows 7 (but you have to pay for

the

Post by James Doepp
update!)

<snip!>
In the interest of not extending an OT thread too much longer, this is
my last post to this thread. Thank you, good night, g'bless, cheese,
and potatoes.

I am sorry that you have picked apart my message (perhaps due to the
above-mentioned unfortunate aside) that was actually trying to be helpful.
Really, I do use Scribus with Slackware and KDE 4, and really, I *was*
amazed at the mainly speed differences between the KDE included in Slackware
13 and Slackware-current.

Post by Jeffrey Silverman
--
JDS

JDD

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[Richard]

The mistake is not kde4, is the use of it before it came to stable and
the ammount of changes upcoming.
Also, it requires a new approach on kernel and drivers, so much hardware
that was working on KDE3 is not working on KDE4, the sample is any ATI
graphics card older than x15XX (or around it) and/OR RS690 chipset.
Me and a lot of people is being affected by the lack of drivers for that
chipset and graphics card wich were working and existed on KDE3 but not
on KDE4.
I mean, ATI made it's last driver for KDE 3.5 but is not compatible with
KDE4.
So if i want a full capable graphics card i have to keep on KDE 3 AND i
cant use my laptop because THERE IS NOT correct ACPI management for my
chipset now.
Anyhow, there is an opensource driver, but again, it was working fine on
KDE 3.5 but not on KDE 4.

Now, i konw certain person without life is coming to bother about OT and
such things, because he's threatned by my writings, so i'll end up here
and let the suppossed masters to keep dictating(dictatorship) the way
it's meant to be..

Post by James Doepp
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 18:31, Jeffrey Silverman <

Post by Jeffrey Silverman
Ding ding ding! BS alert! Linophile FUD alert! Ding ding ding!
(Full disclosure: I am a Linophile myself. But still, this paragraph
smells FUDdy/snarky to me. And Win7 is, by all estimates and reviews,
great, or at least very good. Is KDE 4? Even the latest?)

No FUD was intended in my remarks. I was responding to a parallel that was
made between KDE and Vista (which itself perhaps could be mistaken for FUD).
My intention was simply to show the differences between KDE4 and Vista -
though critics call its introduction overly "revolutionary", its development
is evolutionary. Closed source development is different in nature to open
source development. We can have the same degree of change that exists
between Vista and Windows 7, but it won't be in one leap, but rather in
little steps over time.
I never denied that Windows 7 was great (or at least very good). Indeed, I
said nothing about whether Windows 7 was good or bad. The only disadvantage
I mentioned (as an unfortunate aside) was that you have to pay for the
upgrade from Vista to Windows 7.
Whether the latest KDE is good or great, I'll leave to others to decide for
themselves. But KDE 4.3.4 is undoubtedly better than 4.2.x and I certainly
expect KDE4 to improve further, and not only in bug fixes and security
fixes, but also in features, configurability and speed.

Post by Jeffrey Silverman
<snip!>> The difference between KDE4 and Vista is that KDE4 is a work
in progress,

Post by James Doepp
and after every update it works faster and better, and you get a clearer
picture of what the developers are hoping to achieve. Vista is a final
product - or at best a step towards Windows 7 (but you have to pay for

the

Post by James Doepp
update!)

<snip!>
In the interest of not extending an OT thread too much longer, this is
my last post to this thread. Thank you, good night, g'bless, cheese,
and potatoes.

I am sorry that you have picked apart my message (perhaps due to the
above-mentioned unfortunate aside) that was actually trying to be helpful.
Really, I do use Scribus with Slackware and KDE 4, and really, I *was*
amazed at the mainly speed differences between the KDE included in Slackware
13 and Slackware-current.

Post by Jeffrey Silverman
--
JDS

JDD

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[Jeffrey Silverman]

Oops, I said I wasn't going to comment on this thread anymore, but I
am anyway. On accident, ok?

This "isn't any drivers" comment is nonsensical. Perhaps your Linux
distro does not have the appropriate drivers easily available? KDE is
a layer way up high above where the device drivers live, and isn't
relevant in a discussion on drivers. Unless I'm missing something
here...

The mistake is not kde4, is the use of it before it came to stable and the
ammount of changes upcoming.
Also, it requires a new approach on kernel and drivers, so much hardware
that was working on KDE3 is not working on KDE4, the sample is any ATI
graphics card older than x15XX (or around it) and/OR RS690 chipset.
Me and a lot of people is being affected by the lack of drivers for that
chipset and graphics card wich were working and existed on KDE3 but not on
KDE4.
I mean, ATI made it's last driver for KDE 3.5 but is not compatible with
KDE4.
So if i want a full capable graphics card i have to keep on KDE 3 AND i cant
use my laptop because THERE IS NOT correct ACPI management for my chipset
now.
Anyhow, there is an opensource driver, but again, it was working fine on KDE
3.5 but not on KDE 4.

<snip!>

[Christoph Schäfer]

Post by Jeffrey Silverman
Oops, I said I wasn't going to comment on this thread anymore, but I
am anyway. On accident, ok?
This "isn't any drivers" comment is nonsensical. Perhaps your Linux
distro does not have the appropriate drivers easily available? KDE is
a layer way up high above where the device drivers live, and isn't
relevant in a discussion on drivers. Unless I'm missing something
here...

Post by Richard
The mistake is not kde4, is the use of it before it came to stable and
the ammount of changes upcoming.
Also, it requires a new approach on kernel and drivers, so much hardware
that was working on KDE3 is not working on KDE4, the sample is any ATI
graphics card older than x15XX (or around it) and/OR RS690 chipset.
Me and a lot of people is being affected by the lack of drivers for that
chipset and graphics card wich were working and existed on KDE3 but not
on KDE4.
I mean, ATI made it's last driver for KDE 3.5 but is not compatible with
KDE4.
So if i want a full capable graphics card i have to keep on KDE 3 AND i
cant use my laptop because THERE IS NOT correct ACPI management for my
chipset now.
Anyhow, there is an opensource driver, but again, it was working fine on
KDE 3.5 but not on KDE 4.

<snip!>

Please stop this crappy discussion or continue somewhere else.

Christoph

[Branko Vukelic]

Back on-topic, I've used a few distros for DTP and generally didn't
have much luck with Ubuntu (sometimes I had to wait a long time for
some packages to get updated) and I think I didn't like openSUSE a lot
either. Nowadays I'm using Arch Linux as it has most packages I need
in the repos. Of course, I don't claim to be too experienced in
open-source DTP, and in fact I've only just finished one project in
Scribus that I can call a 'serious' project.

Arch Linux' policy is to package the latest and greatest stable
releases of all packages save a few (like Scribus, which actually has
the stable development version, 1.3.5.1, in the repository rather than
the proper stable version). This is one of the few distros that have
_most_ of the tools listed in the DTP toolbox page in scribus docs in
their latest stable versions.

Downside of using Arch Linux (well, it's not a downside to me, but I
understand many consider it a downside) is that it relies on command
line tools for package management and system administration is done
with a text editor. If you don't mind that, than you'll find a lot of
creative folks are also using it which is a big plus. Also, this
particular 'drawback' is well compensated by the fact that Arch has
(in my humble opinion) the second best wiki of all linux distros
(first one is, of course, the famous Gentoo Wiki).

Unlike distributions of Debian descent, Arch is i686-optimized, which
also gives you a _significant_ performance boost in some applications.
Personally, I've seen MyPaint and Gimp perform much better on Arch
than Ubuntu (Mint, actually).

Finally, let me also say that the best distro is the one you come to
know the best. It depends on what you like about distros in general,
and information such as what I've written above should generally be
regarded as a reminder that there are many different distros out
there. ;)

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Christoph Sch?fer

Post by Christoph Schäfer

Post by Jeffrey Silverman
Oops, I said I wasn't going to comment on this thread anymore, but I
am anyway. On accident, ok?
This "isn't any drivers" comment is nonsensical. Perhaps your Linux
distro does not have the appropriate drivers easily available? KDE is
a layer way up high above where the device drivers live, and isn't
relevant in a discussion on drivers. Unless I'm missing something
here...

Post by Richard
The mistake is not kde4, is the use of it before it came to stable and
the ammount of changes upcoming.
Also, it requires a new approach on kernel and drivers, so much hardware
that was working on KDE3 is not working on KDE4, the sample is any ATI
graphics card older than x15XX (or around it) and/OR RS690 chipset.
Me and a lot of people is being affected by the lack of drivers for that
chipset and graphics card wich were working and existed on KDE3 but not
on KDE4.
I mean, ATI made it's last driver for KDE 3.5 but is not compatible with
KDE4.
So if i want a full capable graphics card i have to keep on KDE 3 AND i
cant use my laptop because THERE IS NOT correct ACPI management for my
chipset now.
Anyhow, there is an opensource driver, but again, it was working fine on
KDE 3.5 but not on KDE 4.

<snip!>

Please stop this crappy discussion or continue somewhere else.
Christoph
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[Richard]

Is not about KDE (my mistake) is xorg who needs new driver "format?"....
and KDE4 needs "that" "new" Xorg
I dont know what, why or where but there is "something" on "new" KDE/Xorg.
You can't use the same driver on KDE4 and KDE3 even if you compile them
for the same kernel.

I dont know too much about "new" KDE/Xorg, but i do know that to use
Scribus on Linux i have to keep on KDE3.5 otherwise if i go KDE4 i cant
work on Scribus while unplugged because i have no battery management at all.
AND on KDE4 there is no chance to use the correct video driver so the
performance on Scribus while too much graphics will be worst.

Post by Jeffrey Silverman
Oops, I said I wasn't going to comment on this thread anymore, but I
am anyway. On accident, ok?
This "isn't any drivers" comment is nonsensical. Perhaps your Linux
distro does not have the appropriate drivers easily available? KDE is
a layer way up high above where the device drivers live, and isn't
relevant in a discussion on drivers. Unless I'm missing something
here...

The mistake is not kde4, is the use of it before it came to stable and the
ammount of changes upcoming.
Also, it requires a new approach on kernel and drivers, so much hardware
that was working on KDE3 is not working on KDE4, the sample is any ATI
graphics card older than x15XX (or around it) and/OR RS690 chipset.
Me and a lot of people is being affected by the lack of drivers for that
chipset and graphics card wich were working and existed on KDE3 but not on
KDE4.
I mean, ATI made it's last driver for KDE 3.5 but is not compatible with
KDE4.
So if i want a full capable graphics card i have to keep on KDE 3 AND i cant
use my laptop because THERE IS NOT correct ACPI management for my chipset
now.
Anyhow, there is an opensource driver, but again, it was working fine on KDE
3.5 but not on KDE 4.

<snip!>

[Judith Miner]

Post by Richard
Is not about KDE (my mistake) is xorg who needs new driver "format?"....
and KDE4 needs "that" "new" Xorg
I dont know what, why or where but there is "something" on "new" KDE/Xorg.
You can't use the same driver on KDE4 and KDE3 even if you compile them
for the same kernel.
I dont know too much about "new" KDE/Xorg, but i do know that to use
Scribus on Linux i have to keep on KDE3.5 otherwise if i go KDE4 i cant
work on Scribus while unplugged because i have no battery management at all.
AND on KDE4 there is no chance to use the correct video driver so the
performance on Scribus while too much graphics will be worst.

I'm probably misunderstanding you, but I haven't found any xorg driver
problem with KDE 4.3.3. I'm a VectorLinux beta tester and currently have
KDE 4.3.3 running under VectorLinux 6 SOHO beta 1.6. Everything seems to
be working in the video realm. My video card is an ATI Radeon 9200 using
the open-source xorg radeon driver. This system is old (1.3 GHz Celeron
Tualatin, 1 gig RAM) and is not the best for KDE of any recent flavor, but
it performs in a usable fashion.

Scribus 1.3.5 is in the distro default installation and hopefully will be
updated before the final release of SOHO. It loaded speedily and looks
okay so far. I've never been fond of the KDE environment and I use XFce on
my "real" system. As a beta tester who won't be using the final product, I
haven't given all applications a workout, just see if they start and
appear to run okay. You may have encountered something I haven't yet
found. This computer isn't a laptop, so I can't say what happens with
battery management. I'd think that was more dependent on the underlying
distro than on KDE 4.x.

Why would you be using the same driver as you would for KDE 3? Perhaps
you're doing an upgrade from KDE 3.x to KDE 4.x. Maybe that's not a good
idea because KDE 4.x has many changes that go deep into the system. Maybe
you should do a clean installation of a distro with KDE 4.3.3 built in.
Then you should have a video driver that works properly with the system.
--Judy M.
USA

[Branko Vukelic]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Judith Miner <jwminer at accessvt.com> wrote:
<SNIPPAGE>

Post by Judith Miner
I'm probably misunderstanding you, but I haven't found any xorg driver
problem with KDE 4.3.3. I'm a VectorLinux beta tester and currently have KDE
4.3.3 running under VectorLinux 6 SOHO beta 1.6. Everything seems to be
working in the video realm. My video card is an ATI Radeon 9200 using the
open-source xorg radeon driver. This system is old (1.3 GHz Celeron
Tualatin, 1 gig RAM) and is not the best for KDE of any recent flavor, but
it performs in a usable fashion.

</SNIPPAGE>

I'm not a KDE user, but I do have the ATI Radeon HD series card in my
system. Problem with this card is that currently Catalyst driver
doesn't work with the latest Xorg releases (xorg-server to be precise)
and the open-source drivers provide no support for accelerated 3D. If
latest KDE requires latest xorg-server as someone pointed out earlier,
then KDE does leave you no choice other than giving up accelerated 3D.

I don't really know how this could be relevant for Scribus, though. I
use the latest Xorg release here with no 3D, and Scribus doesn't mind
it.

[Richard]

If you have a Radeon HD series card you can use the proprietary driver.
Or you should.

And you don't have an ATI chipset using open source driver.
Or if you have it, you're not on a battery powered computer (working
ACPI needed).

If you want to use Scribus on a laptop with KDE 4 installed and some ATI
chipsets and/or certain "x" series radeon video cards you can't go too
far from the electrical outlet, so, you have a useless "portable" computer.

Also if you like me keep on an older KDE using 64bits OS (4GB+ RAM)
you'll have full ACPI support, amazing 3D video performance, but a
crashing system due poor 64bits kernel/packages/drivers stability. Same
combination on 32bits versions works flawlessly but woth a top of 2.5GB
of RAM.

Post by Branko Vukelic
I'm not a KDE user, but I do have the ATI Radeon HD series card in my
system. Problem with this card is that currently Catalyst driver
doesn't work with the latest Xorg releases (xorg-server to be precise)
and the open-source drivers provide no support for accelerated 3D. If
latest KDE requires latest xorg-server as someone pointed out earlier,
then KDE does leave you no choice other than giving up accelerated 3D.
I don't really know how this could be relevant for Scribus, though. I
use the latest Xorg release here with no 3D, and Scribus doesn't mind
it.

[Branko Vukelic]

If you have a Radeon HD series card you can use the proprietary driver. Or
you should.

Or would if I could. Latest proprietary Catalyst driver will not be
supporting the version of xorg-server I'm using for the next couple of
months. Fortunately, this is a desktop computer, so I don't need ACPI.
:)

[Richard]

I use a laptop on ATI x1270 graphics and RS690 chipset.

When going from KDE 3 to KDE 4 i had to leave ATI's driver, so i lost
power management and not only video acceleration, since the system didnt
even reach desktop with open source drivers.
If KDE would kept 3.xx (say 3.7, 3.8) i could be able to use the same
old driver.
I repeat, i don't know why or how, but is what happens to me, to 3 more
friends using the same systems(2 Linux geek/gurus) and to a lot of
people on ATI video cards and or ati chipsets as i have seen on linux
forums.
But not every ATI video card, just a few in the middle, between the
"new" series and x700(or so) series cards.
The "new" ones have proprietary drivers, and the older ones have fully
working open source drivers.
It's true you dont need 3D on Scribus, but to my videocard, the open
source driver wasn't mature enough as to provide a minimum performance,
also some artifacts appeared on every distro.


I downloaded 3 days ago the latest Kubuntu and Fedora

TODAY i have a wonderful 3D acceleration on Ubuntu , but still can't use
my laptop on battery, so work (with scribus in linux) on exteriors or
far from the electrical outlet is not allowed.
TODAY i have a wonderful battery life on Fedora, but my screen gets full
of artifacts from time to time... (minute by minute), so working on
anything graphic (let's say scribus) is nonsense. Console mode works
also like ..... crap.

I repeat ONLY LINUX with KDE 4.xx.
I have a great battery performance on KDE3.xx with no graphis issues,
and amazing 3D performance.

Off course, i also use 4GB of RAM so i need 64bits OS, and that's
something that does'nt leave me the chance to use a too much old linux,
because it seems 64bits kernel, drivers and packages were too unstable
on every distro i tested, even upto Ubuntu 8.04.

Those are the reasons why i stoped using linux since past year and
migrated Scribus and all my graphics software to Windows Seven 64bits.

Off course i can take 2GB out from my laptop and use only 2, but i also
want to manage big documents, and several runing applications wich using
only 2GB makes the computer go turtle step. 3GB may made the trick but i
cant use over 2.5GB on 32bits OS. (Win or Lin)


I know i'm a hard candy, but i can't loose time by investigating
everything, i need something that works right from being installed so i
can start on work immediatelly.
I would prefer that KDE kept the old format and the effort to bring 4.xx
were used to make better 64bits packages/drivers/kernel, but i have poor
hardware management on 4.xx and poor 64bits on 3.xx

Post by Judith Miner

Post by Richard
Is not about KDE (my mistake) is xorg who needs new driver
"format?".... and KDE4 needs "that" "new" Xorg
I dont know what, why or where but there is "something" on "new" KDE/Xorg.
You can't use the same driver on KDE4 and KDE3 even if you compile
them for the same kernel.
I dont know too much about "new" KDE/Xorg, but i do know that to use
Scribus on Linux i have to keep on KDE3.5 otherwise if i go KDE4 i
cant work on Scribus while unplugged because i have no battery
management at all.
AND on KDE4 there is no chance to use the correct video driver so the
performance on Scribus while too much graphics will be worst.

I'm probably misunderstanding you, but I haven't found any xorg driver
problem with KDE 4.3.3. I'm a VectorLinux beta tester and currently
have KDE 4.3.3 running under VectorLinux 6 SOHO beta 1.6. Everything
seems to be working in the video realm. My video card is an ATI Radeon
9200 using the open-source xorg radeon driver. This system is old (1.3
GHz Celeron Tualatin, 1 gig RAM) and is not the best for KDE of any
recent flavor, but it performs in a usable fashion.
Scribus 1.3.5 is in the distro default installation and hopefully will
be updated before the final release of SOHO. It loaded speedily and
looks okay so far. I've never been fond of the KDE environment and I
use XFce on my "real" system. As a beta tester who won't be using the
final product, I haven't given all applications a workout, just see if
they start and appear to run okay. You may have encountered something
I haven't yet found. This computer isn't a laptop, so I can't say what
happens with battery management. I'd think that was more dependent on
the underlying distro than on KDE 4.x.
Why would you be using the same driver as you would for KDE 3? Perhaps
you're doing an upgrade from KDE 3.x to KDE 4.x. Maybe that's not a
good idea because KDE 4.x has many changes that go deep into the
system. Maybe you should do a clean installation of a distro with KDE
4.3.3 built in. Then you should have a video driver that works
properly with the system.
--Judy M.
USA
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[K.King]

<<
what i haven't solved yet, is a way to automatically reinstall the
computer to a known clean state.
clonezilla + usb (big flash drive or hard drive) ?

[Richard]

It seems some people can and some people can't.

So to be part of the chauvinist class one have to bother all the time
about the belonging or not of a discussion to scribus and magically
noone will be annoying about that matter when is oneself who don't know
something and asks that question on the non appropriate list, or better
yet, on Scribus list.

Post by a.l.e
<<
what i haven't solved yet, is a way to automatically reinstall the
computer to a known clean state.
clonezilla + usb (big flash drive or hard drive) ?

a.l.e escribi?:
i wonder again in what extent this discussion
a/ answers the original question, */ (" Best Linux distro for
Scribus")/*
b/ has anything to do with scribus.

have fun
a.l.e