On Tuesday 24 March 2009 10:45:04 am Jeffrey Silverman
Post by Jeffrey Silverman
Once again, we've diverted off-topic. But I think that's
fine, I mean, I'm certainly not one to talk.
Anyway, I thought I'd chime in. Me: I am a big Linux and
f/oss advocate. I don't use Windows (or Mac OS, ftm) if I
can help it. And mostly, I can help it. I work for a
company that hosts and supports a major OSS product for
the education market. I've put "environment must be
amenable to use of open source software" on my resume. I
won't even apply for jobs that will force me to use a
Windows desktop (and luckily I have been able to do this
However, and I know these comments have mostly been
tongue-in-cheek but I am not an advocate of OS
bashing, even if it is for sound reasons. I have been
using Linux for more than 10 years, and exclusively,
at home *and* at work, for at least 7 years, as both a
desktop OS and a server OS. In that time, I have
experienced many problems, including crashes and
instability. OTOH, Windows 2000, Windows XP (all patched
and updated) hardly ever crashes. So, some points to
- Linux is not the OS, it is the kernel. The OS includes
all that other stuff, too, so you can actually use it.
I've seen comments pretty close to "Linux OS never
crashes" and that is patently false. If X crashes (and it
certainly does), does that mean that your OS has not
crashed? It is splitting hairs, but from the POV of the
desktop user, if X has crashed, the OS has crashed.
- Windows 2000 and XP are actually *extremely* stable
OSes. I can't vouch for Vista. The days of BSODs and
other lockups and crashes ended, mostly, with the EOL of
- Windows crashes and Linux crashes usually amount to
the same thing: a driver issue. Most frequently video
drivers. Given sample installations of Windows XP with
MS-blessed drivers and a Linux installation with the most
stable possible driver versions (not sure about
blessings), neither OS will crash, pretty much.
- Most comparisons of Windows vs Linux are so apples vs
oranges as to be very unrealistic. This goes for
comparisons made by both the Windows-promoting MS
monoculture and the Linux-promoting F/OSS culture. I have
seen very few, if any, good comparisons made with very
similar starting points. Similar machines, similar
software installed, similar driver stability, etc. Most
comparisons can be thrown right out the window (no pun
- Many F/OSS products, while great, are still also very
unstable or buggy. Biggest case in point is Firefox.
Firefox (or "The Web Browser") is probably the single
most used app on today's desktop. However, and this goes
for my Windows using coworkers, FF is unstable as hell.
It crashes at least daily. Internet Explorer, while sucky
for web developers, sucky for maintaining desktop
security, and sucky for a number of other reasons, at
least doesn't crash. I'm talking IE6. Dunno about
stability of IE7, but I'm guessing its comparable.
YIKES! I cannot believe I am defending Microsoft, but
there it is. I know the community here tends to be
anti-microsoft, as many F/OSS communities are, but really
I prefer to see balanced arguments and not just plain ol'
Thanks! Seeya! Later!
 Whatever that means. I've never really got that
expression.  With some minor exceptions that couldn't
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Fritz Eichelhardt
Post by Fritz Eichelhardt
From: Roger <hovergo at net-tech.com.au>
Subject: [scribus] Windows can't crash - very strange
I have never heard of anything else crashing on
a Windows platform.
as far as i know, windows can't even crash, unless
you use very unreliable
software like scribus.
Either that is the most unfair comment I have heard or
it is a piece of humour, can't decide..
it's a pity, but i can't afford this lovely peace of
software and have to use
by pure luck, scribus/linux never crashes here.
if that was meant as a (unfair) comment, it would be
very stupid as well. an os that can be crashed by a
software, is crap, not an os.
i have to admit: even my few remained friends find my
humour sometimes somewhat strange, but they got used to
btw: i write almost everthing, even my
(business-)letters, in scribus.
can i come and live in your world? where windows never
shure - always welcome.
the name of that world is linux.
has not been crashing. Kmail used to crash on huge
emails) but it doesn't any more.
On covers etc. the occasional Scribus freeze or crash is
best handled by fairly frequent saves of the sla file. In
seconds or so, user selectable. As I remember it was only
an unstable version that ever crashed.